Character Creation (Discussion)

I love it.

I have the feeling that Seleucia is going to have some enemies in the Radiant Cross...

Is the part about the Snake Cult fitting with the setting? I thought in aftermath they were mostly gone from Pendor so i assumed they have a presence now that it is a century later.


Edit: Stats and equipment are added.

The Snake Cult is still around. They just don't rule most of Amala anymore. They're more of a minor faction in Amala, and secret cultists (much like Heretics) in Pendor.

The Shadow Legion has some ties with them, but nothing formal. Even within the Legion it is not public knowledge who worships the Snake Goddess.

So the short answer: Yes it is possible that they still raid villages from time to time.

You get 1 weapon and 1 armour free at the beginning. Upgrades must be bought with renown. You would thus have:

- Medium Armour (free)
- Morningstar (free)
- Crushing upgrade to Morningstar (-5)
- Hunter (-15)
- Shield (-5)

Left: 25 renown

Pravenstern wrote:

- Hunter (-15)

you'd spare those 15 renown if you take the courser.

Yes, you can pick Mettenheim Forlorn Hope at the start. If you want other Mettenheim-themed troops the only choice right now is to purchase Adventurers and equip them appropriately. Then you can RP them as being Mettenheim soldiers as you please.

Aelos wrote:

Pravenstern wrote:

- Hunter (-15)

you'd spare those 15 renown if you take the courser.

Well yes, but why have renown if you aren't going to spend it? You might need the extra mobility and charge bonuses.

So if we have any left over renown does it go into a "pool" for later use?

As far as I'm aware, yes.

I cleared the character creation and bio threads up, so please use the two Discussion threads for further comment in the future. Was just too annoying having to dig through a load of irrelevant posts to get the real information.

Good idea, thank you!

Yes, unspent renown will be carried over.

I said I discarded my spare 2 for some unknown reason. (>.>)

I would like to create what basically would fit silvermist character(Archer, dual wield, light armor) also she is female, of noble origins. But i want her to be Knight of Ebony Gauntlet. Is that ok, or it just doesn't fit with Gauntlets too much? She would be descendant of Liona Thunion, ranger who left Silvermist order to join Knights of Ebony Gauntlet.

For a PC I think that'd be ok though it may mean very bad relations with silvermist as a whole that your the child of a traitor.

But I'd be careful, if you intend to stick to the old hatred of noldor you'll find they have a lot more friends then they used to.

PCs are able to use weapons that ordinary Order knights wouldn't have trained with. Some other Gauntlets may dislike her for it though.

Dual-wielding is not represented in the mechanics yet. I suggested a workaround of using a two-handed weapon instead, but RPing it as two weapons. They function the same with 2wp damage instead of 1wp, and don't allow for a shield, sooo... it works that way! >.>

I'll add you to the Gauntlets now, but we will need to see Rivatha's story and traits still.

Or else as a +1 speed to account for the extra attack instead of the extra damage.

Spoiler:

Do my stats and such work out appropriately? I've also changed the background to Naval Officer since the description of Seaman's bonuses seemed inappropriate for one spending all their time in Southern waters.

Looks good to me. I was thinking should the speed bonuses be modified because at the moment there doesn't seem like there is that great a reason to take medium;

Light : +1 WP, +1 Speed
Medium : +2 WP
Heavy : +3 WP -1 Speed

Now at least Medium has no penalties associated with it, and it makes Light a little more worthy too.

Oh yeah I never did work out my stats.

Yea it would make a bit more sense, medium is probably chain mail which was strong but also didn't restrict movement so it would fit.

Where do we actually have armor stats listed? I was going to change it, but it isn't with the stats of horses and weapons.

It's in the rules post it is with the information on troop prices and everything else, I checked it a moment ago to do my stats.

Equipment (Armour)

10 Renown : Light Armour (+1 WP) .
20 Renown : Medium Armour (+2 WP, -1 Speed)
30 Renown : Heavy Armour (+3 WP, -2 Speed)
60 Renown : Armour Special (Mettenheim) - (+2 WP, -1 Speed). May be purchased as light, Medium, or Heavy.
60 Renown : Armour Special (Barclay) - (+1 Speed). May be purchased as Light, Medium, or Heavy.
10 Renown : Armour Upgrade (Thick) - (+1 WP) - Does not stack with Lordly Upgrade
100 Renown : Armour Upgrade (Lordly) - (+1 WP, +1 Speed, + 1 Command Level) - Does not stack with Thick Upgrade

Thank you! I've modified the relevant posts.

What do you think about the WP bonus and penalties to certain Orders? Dragons, Gauntlets, and Legion have base 3wp. Cross, Silvermist, and Clarion Call have base 1wp. Eventide, Dawn, Griffons have base 2wp.

My thought was to have everyone with base 2wp. Bonuses would then be based only on armor. NPCs would then wear the armor indicated in the Rules thread.

I dunno it does kind of fit, the more ranged style orders have less health which makes sense given that they spend less time training to fight up close where they will get hit a lot while the more melee style have more health.

It's only a minor difference once you factor in armor but it does add a bit of diversity to the game.

I'm curious as to why the Radiant Cross has been put into the "weak" category when its members apparently use 2 handed polehammers and heavy/medium armor.

Is it due to their more scholarly beginnings?

It does make sense, they aren't a purely combat based order like most of the others.

Much like the Hospitaliers were strong knights but inferior to the Teutonic or the Templar who were purely combat oriented.

Being more war oriented on the political stage doesn't mean the individual knights were inferior by any means.

Besides, a few hundred Hospitallers held off 30,000 experienced Ottoman soldiers! (The facts that they had several thousand back-up soldiers, faced an incompetent commander, and had out-lived both of the other orders is besides the point...)

But man to man both other orders were superior soldiers because it was all they trained to be where as Hospitaliersalso trained in healing which resulted in less time for combat training.
They were still amongst the most powerful knights of the era but man to man on average they were the weakest of the three.

Besides the Templars only fell because a corrupt king invented entirely false claims in an attempt to steal the wealth of the Templars because he bankrupt his own country and even then in some places groups of 20-30 Templar Knights and Seargents held off groups of 500+ fully trained soldiers and knights.

All you needed back then ws a good wall and your enemy not to have siege equipment.