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William Alatin III
Posts : 278 Join date : 2013-02-12 Location : The meeting house
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 13.02.13 2:39 | |
| Since you wrote we could post drafts here, I will I would love to hear feed back, but i must warn you that it is full or grammatical mistakes and poor writing, but I need someone to check and see if I am allowed to write all this as it encroaches on the lore category. It is also not done, I have yet to add William Nathaniel Alatin III. And finally this is what I imagine the anthem of Ravenstern to sound somewhat like- www .youtube.com/watch?v=EZZSTiHbNps (apparently I cannot post links for 7 days so I will just cheat and just put a space) - Spoiler:
Order of the Dragon
William Nathaniel Alatin the III, Purger of the Mountains
William Nathaniel Alatin the III, son of William Felderan Alatin the II, son of William Ferson Alatin the I
Year 432 AF, Blue season, Secundus- William Ferson Alatin clenched his teeth against the driving wind of the Blue Season. The tough Knight-Commander watched silently as his fellow knights of the dragon formed up behind him. Sir Mastifus IV was riding up and down the infantry line shouting orders. William turned his horse looking at his men, fear, he knew it. The drums of the mystmountain men had been growing louder and louder over the past few days. He could hear the marching of the horde, coming this way, running. The ferocious screams of raging berserker's and moaning of victims gave reason to fear, yes William himself felt a knot in his stomach. He turned away looking to Mastifus who nodded at William and gave the signal. The sound of the northern rams horn filled the Knights ears and William lead the flank against inbound mystmountain men. The battle raged hard and long against the Mystmountain men. The battle was turning against them, His men died around him, Mastifus called for a retreat. No we would not lose this he rode hard and fast to the musicians who played the marching rhythm and said something to them. Loud and harsh bagpipes, horns, and drums rocked against the hillside, it was the song of Ravenstern. The song had never been played since the unification, it was a symbol of Ravensterns independence. It was the song of hope, courage, of spitting fear in the eye and pushing on, it was the song of a free Ravenstern. William grabbed the flag of Ravenstern and ran back into the fight no horse under his feet, helmet gone, nothing but wind and snow against his face, the dragon unfurled in the wind. Mastifus, called for the attack, and the charge was renewed with such vigor and valor that had never been seen upon the mountains before and the mystmountain men were struck down, William I earning the name Dragon Heart for his exceptional bravery and patriotism to Ravenstern and his order. William Ferson Alatin died at the battle for Falcondark, had one son and one daughter with his wife Helena. The son’s name was William Felderan Alatin the II, William and Helena taught him the legends that were made that one blue season day.
Year 450 AF, Yellow season, Primus- William Felderan Alatin the II shouted orders left and right, the new Knight-Commander would not be taken unprepared he would give those vile southerns a run for their money, yes he would show them. Ever since his father was slain at the battle for Falcondark Castle the war with pendor had been steadily turning against them. The glare of the sun reflected off of the shields his brothers in arms, he walked pityingly along the ranks of men, but at the same time was filled with courage. These farmers, militiamen, townsfolk, and alike. Had come to give their lives for their freedom, for their hope for a future, for the very lives of those they loved, this wasn’t a rebellion to the people of Ravenstern, it was a hope for a new future. Mastifus rode up to him, he was older, weaker his stride was lessened by the wounds he had sustained at the battle for Falcondark. Never the less his chin was up and he had pride in his people filling him with the courage needed. William mounted his horse the sword of his father resting at his side, it was the one thing of his fathers, along side the seal of Alatin that had been brought back from the battle. The rat-at-tat of drums was heard in the distance, the marching soon also came within hearing. The song of Ravenstern began to play and courage welled up within him. William cried out to his the knights and common folk,
“Men! Courage, Courage for our people, for our homes, for our families, for Ravenstern!” The shout back from the men echoed across the snow and no doubt to the approaching marauding pendor army. “For Ravenstern!!!”
The battle was horrific, the brave men of Ravenstern were slaughtered before Williams eyes. William saw Mastifus tear into the enemy taking many, many to their graves. He died before William could save him. William sounded the horn for the charge to continue full force, the masterfully crafted Ravenstern great sword carved through the allied Pendorians, but to no avail. William gathered the few men he could and fled taking Mastifus body with them. They buried Mastifus somewhere outside of Rane (the exact position was not recorded so that marauding southerners would not disgrace him) William fell wounded defending a village against the pendor army coming to raid and pillage. They later forced William and the house of Alatin to sign the terms of surrender along with the other Ravenstern Lords and pay large sums of money to the Kingdom of Pendor as well as resign as Knight Commander of the Order of the Dragon. William Felderan Alatin the II lived his remaining days at his home in Mystmire attempting to help his neighboring village recover from the war. His wife Skela gave birth to two boys the first born was named William Nathaniel Alatin the III. The courage of that day was given from father to son, as well as a hope for a new Ravenstern.
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Klaus Witz
Posts : 309 Join date : 2013-02-11
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 14.02.13 12:07 | |
| When you say point, do you mean trait "slot"? So if Klaus was an exceptional swordsman, he would be Average Swordsman, Good Swordsman, Exceptional Swordsman, Hardy, Strong? | |
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Psychozoa
Posts : 228 Join date : 2013-02-12 Age : 37 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 14.02.13 12:12 | |
| Adventurer: basically the most generic class. You can specialize in up to three weapons, instead of only one, as happens with all the other Backgrounds (except the warlord). You may forsake three free traits for one free quality item (a super keen sword, a rare piece of armor, an expensive cloak, a good horse, etc.).
does this mean I can choose 3 weapons and have already good proficiency in them? | |
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Jing Ming Admin
Posts : 711 Join date : 2013-01-20
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 14.02.13 12:13 | |
| Yep, it means slot. In order to be a master swordsman, Klaus would also have to pick good (swords) exceptional (swords) swordmaster The average (sword) is free. EDIT: - Quote :
- Adventurer: basically the most generic class. You can specialize in up to three weapons, instead of only one, as happens with all the other Backgrounds (except the warlord). You may forsake three free traits for one free quality item (a super keen sword, a rare piece of armor, an expensive cloak, a good horse, etc.).
does this mean I can choose 3 weapons and have already good proficiency in them?
OOPS, sorry, I forgot about that part about the weapons. So, adventurers, please ignore my ignorance: you are allowed to have "good" proficiency with any three weapons. I'll just ask you to indicate that clearly in your sheet. | |
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Psychozoa
Posts : 228 Join date : 2013-02-12 Age : 37 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 14.02.13 12:16 | |
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Sigwald
Posts : 795 Join date : 2013-02-11
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 14.02.13 12:17 | |
| saeros, can you take a look at my stats/traits as well? Besides the 'master swordsman' trait I might have missed a few things. | |
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Jing Ming Admin
Posts : 711 Join date : 2013-01-20
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 14.02.13 12:20 | |
| Yep, I recall missing you, ravis, vinson and william at least. But we've all just experienced what happens when I make calculations while sleepy | |
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Sigwald
Posts : 795 Join date : 2013-02-11
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 14.02.13 12:21 | |
| - Jing Ming wrote:
- Yep, I recall missing you, ravis, vinson and william at least. But we've all just experienced what happens when I make calculations while sleepy
Well, better get some sleep first then. There's no hurry. | |
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Albion Bryton
Posts : 1 Join date : 2013-02-16
| Subject: Character Creation 16.02.13 9:37 | |
| I'm new. I'm trying to create a character, but I don't get it. There are no core stats or anything? Just write bio/back story and pick an order? How will I know my stats?
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Isabel Tenorio Admin
Posts : 1696 Join date : 2013-01-20 Location : The Sea Viper
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 16.02.13 9:42 | |
| Stats are largely determined through your traits, and to a lesser extent your Order. Some Orders have extra wound points, others do not.
After you've worked out your traits, one of the more experienced people here will help you work out what your stats are. If they aren't what you wanted, you can change your traits if you're so inclined.
Welcome, by the way! | |
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Aodh
Posts : 359 Join date : 2013-02-13
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 2:01 | |
| If I'm a Scout would I get set traits for being a Scout like Horseman, Charger, Horse Archery, Survivalist and such? | |
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Isabel Tenorio Admin
Posts : 1696 Join date : 2013-01-20 Location : The Sea Viper
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 4:22 | |
| "Scout: “Exceptional” in bow, crossbow, or spear. Extremely fast rider. Can track, forage"
Jing Ming is the expert on these, since he wrote them, but he is gone for a few days.
I interpret this to mean that you get the following traits for free, in addition to your three free traits:
Good Proficiency in Bow/Spear/Crossbow (pick one) Exceptional Proficiency in the above. Fast Rider Tracker Forager
Actually, considering that these are 9 points worth of traits, it would be waaaay too excessive to take three free traits. Let's just say one free trait. I still say one free trait because of the potential need to take Noble, Commoner, Pyromaniac, etc. I won't say that there should be a rule restricting your use of that one free trait, unless others things this is -that- overpowered. (It is a bit OP...)
Edit: Okay, that is still 5 trait points. One free point would still put this at 6 traits. For context: We decided that Adventurer having 6 free traits was too many. That said, Forager and Tracker are not quite the same as Charger or Strong. What do the rest of you think about this one? Remember that we aren't trying to balance them strictly.... some sense of balance is still required, obviously.
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Pravenstern
Posts : 569 Join date : 2013-02-10 Location : Sarleon for now
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 4:25 | |
| Note that the wording indicates that you can get the good/exceptional skill only into a single weapon type.
I think the player should pick the traits himself. Maybe give a single free trait out of the last three, though. | |
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Isabel Tenorio Admin
Posts : 1696 Join date : 2013-01-20 Location : The Sea Viper
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 4:27 | |
| Oh, right. Thank you, Pravenstern!
So that is far less overpowered. I will edit my original post and re-comment there. >.> | |
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Aodh
Posts : 359 Join date : 2013-02-13
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 4:30 | |
| Yeah that makes sense, and I just asked about Horsemen and survivalist rather than fast riding and foraging because those are already traits listed. | |
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Isabel Tenorio Admin
Posts : 1696 Join date : 2013-01-20 Location : The Sea Viper
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 4:37 | |
| Scout has sparked a wider point for me.
Is Adventurer supposed to be the top-power or easiest 'difficulty setting' of the backgrounsd here? Obviously it's the most versatile, with 5 traits and all of them player-chosen. I suppose my question is whether 5 traits is the rough maximum we're looking at. Scout, with three free traits, would be less versatile than Adventurer as a starting point. Most likely that means it would be nominally more powerful. Is that acceptable to everyone, or is Adventurer our reference point for 'strongest?' | |
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Aodh
Posts : 359 Join date : 2013-02-13
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 4:41 | |
| I think 2 would be good because that makes him a powerful but very one specialized. While the Adventuror is more versatile and Jack of all trades. but I'm biased because I'm a scout | |
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Pravenstern
Posts : 569 Join date : 2013-02-10 Location : Sarleon for now
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 4:44 | |
| I think Adventurer should be the embodiment of versatility, giving you a bunch of traits and a couple of proficiencies to customize the character. However, other classes would give you non-trait advantages in addition to setting some of your traits. Take for example priests or nobles who would have ome other benefits due to their background. Or scout would give the player greater ability in tracking and foraging without the traits, but getting them would mean that the player is very experienced in that kind of things.
Or the adventurer could be the easy setting, I don't particularly mind. | |
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Aodh
Posts : 359 Join date : 2013-02-13
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 4:48 | |
| My only issue with putting them as the easy mode, is that if someone wants to make it a little harder do they have to create a whole new character?
But than again we could use them like Warhammer 40k uses space marines, verses Eldar aspect warriors ( the other backgrounds) | |
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Isabel Tenorio Admin
Posts : 1696 Join date : 2013-01-20 Location : The Sea Viper
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 4:51 | |
| The difficulty aspect is just the number of traits you start with.
Priests get a free proficiency, and three free traits. Thus they have 4, Adventurers have 5. Admittedly, Foraging and Tracking are not particularly potent traits compared to some others. Though it is all in how you use them. >.>
It could well be similar to Priests having the extra ability to make blessings and such. Forager and Tracker are just listed as traits already, so I included (and counted) them when looking at Scout. If we think of them as a free RPable bonus, then Scout is by no means overpowered. | |
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Pravenstern
Posts : 569 Join date : 2013-02-10 Location : Sarleon for now
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 4:52 | |
| If you count the good proficiencies, Adventurer's have 8 traits. | |
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Isabel Tenorio Admin
Posts : 1696 Join date : 2013-01-20 Location : The Sea Viper
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 4:57 | |
| Oh, well then.
Scout is not the appropriate point of this conversation then! >.>
Warlord, however, needs changes. It will be getting some though, since Adventurer is better at it in all ways.
Anyway... Um... yeah... | |
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Aodh
Posts : 359 Join date : 2013-02-13
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 5:04 | |
| Perhaps we should wait until Jing Ming gets back this is his area of expertise | |
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Isabel Tenorio Admin
Posts : 1696 Join date : 2013-01-20 Location : The Sea Viper
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 5:06 | |
| We won't make any major decisions until the Master of Traits is able to give us his insight.
That doesn't mean you can't share your own thoughts! | |
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Aodh
Posts : 359 Join date : 2013-02-13
| Subject: Re: Character Creation (Discussion) 17.02.13 5:09 | |
| Okay just making sure | |
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